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any ira/401k intellect out there?

Published Nov. 16, 2008

I am considering buying a home!  So lately, I have been watching my IRA and my 401K helplessly from the sidelines...or not watching it so I don't cry...and am now considering buying a house!  I read the following on a Wells Fargo site: 

"First-time home buyers, defined by the IRS as not owning a home in the past two years, can withdraw up to $10,000 from an IRA to help make a down payment. You pay ordinary income tax on any pre-tax contributions and earnings, but there is no penalty. If the Roth IRA had been open for less than five years, there would still be no penalty; however, you would have to pay taxes on any earnings. "

So if there is anyone out there who knows...if I have an IRA and a 401K...can I take 10K out of each one?  Or is that 10K total per individual?  In other words, if I am looking to withdraw 20K (and don't have the couple's option) is that possible given that I have both a 401 and an IRA?  Just curious!



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FE is right, but he forgot to take into acoount the tax advantages of owning a home. Don't pay more than 20% down and you may make out a little better by taking the interest on the mortgage off your taxable income, at least in the first couple of years. If you're renting now, home ownership is a big tax advantage. I bought a house because I was tired of paying 24% tax. It's going to be a NICE refund this year. :)

What is the difference, take the money out and pay taxes or leave it in and watch it continue to shrink? You lose either way. If you leave it in the IRA or 401K you are just gambling on the market recovering.

Taking funds from a retirement plan should be near the last choice for anyone.

As for the dollar amount, so far as I know you can take ANY amount out - the $10k issue just shelters that portion of the withdrawal from the additional 10% penalty. Example: withdraw $15k, pay an additional penalty of $500 on the $5k excess.

By the time you get through paying federal and state income taxes, with or without any penalty tacked on, you could easily be seeing 40% to near 50% of your funds going not to your house but to the government. (Roth IRA is a little trickier.) Also, you currently will have to "sell" more shares to come up with the dollar amount you need.

And a FURTHER also - you lose all tax sheltered earnings that the withdrawn funds could have made if they were still in the retirement account.

If your credit is good, and you can make a reasonable down payment, you should be able to find an affordable (fixed!!) loan in today's market.

FE

tmed...that is smart! I guess I should look at it...rather than cringing, huh!

talk to a lon officer at BB&T - they have an in-house 100% financing loan and I think they are still offering the NC Housing loans. USDA still offers 100% financing, too - but because they are "the feds" they take a little longer and a little more effort...the thing about taking that money out of your retirement, you won't be able to put it back in...You're probably invested in stocks...put your existing funds into a safer fund, and your current contributions into stocks, since they are so low, right now (buy low, sell high)

There are? Ok...I will definitely ask about the 100% financing thing...I hate money...it intimidates me! LOL

don't take that money out...if you are a first time homebuyer, there are still some 100% financing programs available...if you've been watching the value of your retirement investments go down, perhaps you need to re-direct them into a safer choice like a fixed or guaranteed income fund - instead of stocks...

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