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Published May. 12, 2008

or Elcid's brain working overtime at 4 in the morning ...

 

I've noticed a recent trend where certain Christian posters are attacking atheists while strangely choosing to ignore all other brands of non-Christians. Why is this? Are these armchair disciples more concerned about saving an atheist's soul than that of a Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, or Muslim? That sounds fairly selective to me.

These people aren't attacking all non-Christians because they can at least personally identify with somebody else's belief regardless of whether or not they agree with it. They are allies in the same sense that members of two opposing armies can feel comradery with one other.

Rather, it is the non-belief of atheists that bothers them. These people have faith so thoroughly engrained in their lives that to see somebody without a trace of it threatens them. They simply cannot conceive of somebody not believing in a deity of some sort. The idea is completely foreign to them, and therefore menacing. It forces them to evaluate their own beliefs. They become defensive and attack because the things they hold intrinsically and unquestionably sacred are being challenged by the mere philosophical position of another.

Most atheists do not "believe" that god does not exist. Rather, they dismiss it as a possibility due to a complete lack of evidence. Otherwise, they'd have to entertain the possibility of believing in anything and everything, which is the essential problem of agnosticism. Therefore, it does not take faith to be an atheist. If the evidence changes, then most of us would certainly be reasonable enough to revaluate our positions. Until then, the existence of god is simply a non-issue for us. Some theists have decried this materialistic position, but without much real avail. What possibilities are we losing if we only believe in things that leave evidence behind? Ghosts, leprechauns, fairies and gods? Essentially everything in the realm of the superstitious, but nothing else. I can comfortably live with that; just as a Christian can comfortably live with the idea of worshipping Jehovah but not Shiva.

They accuse atheists of leading selfish, corrupt, and immoral lives without fear of consequences. They accuse atheists of lacking moral codes. This is, of course, irrational, fear-mongering nonsense. Today's atheist is not a self-indulgent modern Caligula or a Stalin. Today's atheist is not a socially maladjusted anarchist who lives his or her life without fear of retribution. Today's atheist tends to be a well-educated, productive member of society who more often than not subscribes to the notions of moral relativism and secular humanism. This essentially means that we realize we're all stuck on this big ball together and we must work to set aside our differences and build a better future, because it's all that there really is.

These fervent believers clash with atheists knowing perfectly well that they are helpless to alter the ideological perceptions of their imagined foe. Why then, do they choose to partake of this exchange of bad blood? Because they're angry and they're frightened. They're angry because we have the nerve to indirectly challenge their insecurely-held beliefs with our continued existence. They're frightened because they fear that they're losing their foothold on the theocratic monopolization of America (school prayer, Christian-oriented legislature, etc.) This in an officially secular country, mind you.

Lashing out and demonizing the enemy is a natural way to react to opposition; however contrary to the teachings of their professed lord and savior it actually is. Any anti-atheist backlash you're witnessing here is simply the result of reactionary mean-spiritedness, and nothing more. The attack is a sign of desperation. I suppose they believe what they're saying is true in the same sense that many Muslim fundamentalists believe that America is directly in league with the devil. Feeling "right" about the subjective tends to breed violent paranoia when it's challenged. Mind the danger in that approach, whatever it is that you choose to believe.

I can't say that some atheists aren't guilty of the same indiscretion, but it's a generalization to categorize all atheists this way just as it's a generalization to categorize all Christians as rabid fundamentalists.

Personally, I'm a firm believer in live-and-let-live. I believe Christ was too, if I'm not mistaken. I don't attack others for their beliefs. I don't even ask that others question their beliefs. Everyone has a right to decide what they hold dear. I don't as a rule write slanderous, inaccurate or inflammatory material about adherents of any religion. But I do defend my positions, because I hold them dear. I find it completely abhorrent that those who attack mine do so under the protective woolen guise of love and fellowship. It allows them to feel morally justified while hitting below the belt. The atheist in America is already a misunderstood and hated underdog, and people tend to ignore the callous disregard they are often shown by these "gentle lambs of God." Were it not for atheists being their current preferred cannon fodder, I'm certain these unyielding fanatics would be baring their claws and coming for you other non-Christians and moderates next. You might want to watch your step.

 



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Elcid -- Congratulations on his blog. It was thoughtful, provocative, and generated vigorous response but was well moderated and civil and kept mostly to point. Congrats to all who participated. God, I love GOLO!! (uh-oh, did I really say that?! My bad...) :)

"Ever seen an atheist in a fox hole? No, and you never will. When its live or die all will call out to a higher power." - wanda287

This comment is often made by believers, who cannot conceive of a person being willing to face death without the safety net of heavenly immortality. Non-believers have always faced revisionist versions of their deaths...claims that they recanted their apostasy and accepted religion on their deathbeds were all proven false. Death is a completely natural part of life and comes to all of us. Is the prospect scary? Yes, a little...but we all tend to fear the unknown. That's one of the reasons we created religions in the first place! Hopefully it won't be too painful, but I think we simply drift back into the nothingness from which we sprang. I am comforted to think that bits and pieces of what was once me might wind up in a blade of grass...or part of a tree...maybe in a rock sitting beside a river... - Getting existential here! :-)

thumper

Just posting what I have seen to be true. I'm no Bible thunper.

"Most atheists do not "believe" that god does not exist."

"but christians seems to think ..god loves..if you are not a homosexual....blah blah blah...the religions of exclusion"

"Christians are judged more harshly by others because people think that we are suppose to be perfect."

In our own way, each of us seems to have a tendency to believe we know what others think. I suspect we project onto those who disagree with us that they believe something we think we can refute or at least rationalize.

I don't think it's appropriate to say "most (insert group here) believe...." but we all do it to a degree. No wonder there is so much misunderstanding and reultant hard feelings.

"A good blog elcid89. Got me up and about. Blood preasure about 9000. LOL"

I apologize if it made you angry. That wasn't at all my intent.

At basis, it was a "we all need to learn to get along, leave one another to make our own choices and work together on what we have in common in order to build a better world for all of us" sort of thing. At least it was meant to be anyway.

They should strive to live that life and if they falter, they can repent and ask forgiveness with God.

I am sure there are Christians that do go to strip clubs, just like there are Saturday night drinkers, who go to church Sunday morning. There are probably christians, that have lied, stole and cheated, poissibly even committed murder. Christians should not be judged as a group. It is an individual relationship. It that Christian is being a stumbling block to someone because they see that...that person will have to answer for that. One can believe in God without living the Christian life that he commands.

A good blog elcid89. Got me up and about. Blood preasure about 9000. LOL

"Mitigate? You mean find some comfort before death? Yes."

OK, and? I'm missing how this is remotely important.

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